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SPECIAL REPORT. Obama’s gambit: Holding Egypt for Holder

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Editor’s Note: For eleven days now, citizens of Egypt have taken to the streets demanding the removal of their repressive dictator Hosni Mubarak. Today, they are protesting in front of the Presidential Palace. The people of Egypt want this man gone and who can blame them after living under such oppressive tyranny for nearly 30 years. By all accounts from reputable journalists, not the propaganda talking heads, the United States appartchik has played a rather significant role in training, mobilizing and funding the youth of Egypt to rise up and demand Mubarak’s immediate departure (see Archives of Daily Specials to read the numerous articles detailing the US involvement). Yet, when the protests heated up the US started playing footsie with these citizens lives, 300 dead and counting,  rather than taking a principled position and practicing what they preach ad nauseum -- “We are committed to building democracies around the globe thereby giving the people their rights and freedom.”

So why the footsie game? Could the US appatchik be stalling the removal of their puppet Mubarak for other nefarious reasons?  Many “real” journalists are avid students of the history of US relations with Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen to name a few, and are offering thoughtful insights. However, few appear to be connecting the US apparatchiks torture and rendition policies, beginning in the nineties, to the current US double talk. Following are two reports:  first is a recent report produced by Global Reports detailing “Obama’s block on the US Torture Probe” and, the second, a “Special Report-Obama’s gambit: Holding Egypt for Holder” by investigative journalist Wayne Madsen of Wayne Madsen Reports. Maybe these two well founded and documented reports will shed some light on the very real reasons for the US Appartchik’s current double talk.


February 3, 2011
Wayne Madsen Reports

by Wayne Madsen

WMR has learned from a well-informed political insider that President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have waffled on support for Egypt’s pro-democracy revolution in order to safeguard a covert U.S.-Egyptian rendition and torture program that dates back to the Clinton administration. In fact, Clinton’s Deputy Attorney General, Eric Holder, now Obama’s Attorney General, was the first Department of Justice official to write a legal brief authorizing the rendition of alleged terrorists from third countries by the CIA to Egypt for purposes of interrogation and torture.

Holder, who served as Deputy Attorney General under Janet Reno from 1997 to 2001, In 1995, Talaat Fuad Qassim, a member of al-Gamaa Islamiya, an Islamist group linked to “Al Qaeda’s” number two, Egyptian Ayman al Zawahiri, was kidnapped by CIA agents in Croatia and flown to the United States. In 1997, after Holder became Deputy Attorney General, Justice Department prosecutors realized they had no legal right to hold Qassim. Holder, according to our source, went to see President Clinton and told him about the problem with holding Qassim in the United States, stressing that the United States was legally bound to release Qassim. Clinton told Holder to send Qassim to someone else. Holder arranged to have Qassim flown to Egypt where he was put into a small crate, tortured, and eventually executed by Egyptian authorities.

Holder has long been a coddler of torturous regimes. In 2004, while a partner with Covington and Burling, Holder worked out a plea agreement for his client, Chiquita Brands International, in which the firm agreed to pay a fine of $25 million for making cash payments to the Colombian right-wing death squad paramilitary force, the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia. The AUC carried out systamatic assassinations of trade union activists, peasants, politicians, and leftist guerrillas in Colombia.

In July 1998, Holder signed off on the transport of two members of the Egyptian Jihad, captured by Albanian security forces in Albania, to Cairo by the CIA on a chartered extraordinary rendition aircraft. The Egyptians were tortured and executed.

Egyptian torture methods included hanging prisoners by all four limbs and placing electric nodules on their genitals, nipples, and feet. The CIA paid Egypt handsomely to carry out the torture program.

Holder and White House chief of staff Leon Panetta had signed off on the CIA’s pre-9/11 rendition program with Egypt. During his confirmation hearings for Attorney General in May 2009, Holder was asked by Senators Lamar Alexander (R-TN) and Richard Shelby (R-AL)about his role in renditions as Deputy Attorney General for Clinton. Holder admitted that extraordinary renditions occurred during the Clinton administration. However, neither Alexander nor Shelby asked Holder how many individuals were renditioned during his time as Deputy Attorney General. Holder was also not asked what torture countries received the kidnapped prisoners from the United States.

WMR has learned that George W. Bush’s chief policy adviser, Karl Rove, restrained Republican senators from delving into too many details with Holder at his confirmation hearing. Rove was aware that the Bush administration also used Egypt as a renditioned prisoner recipient country. But Rove was also concerned about secrets being revealed about his own deals with Sweden to turn terrorist suspects over to the CIA for subsequent torture in Egypt. In December 2001, Sweden arrested Ahmed Agiza and Muhammad al-Zery, two Egyptian asylum seekers who lived in Sweden.

Delivered to CIA agents at Bromma airport outside of Stockholm, the two Egyptians were handcuffed and chained after having suppositories containing drugs inserted into their anuses. The two Egyptians were then flown to Cairo where they were imprisoned and tortured. The rendition plane used was a Gulfstream V, owned by Premier Executive Transport Services, a CIA front company located in Dedham, Massachusetts. The tail number is N379P. The Swedish parliament and the UN later determined that Sweden violatedSwedish and international law, respectively, by transferring the two Egyptians to the CIA and, ultimately to Egypt. Al Zery received $500,000 in compensation from the Swedish government.

Rove has known Holder since President Reagan appointed him as a judge on the Superior Court of the District of Columbia in 1988. All of Reagan’s judicial appointments were subject to vetting by Rove and his friends in the right-wing Federalist Society.

CIA’s rendition program: started under President Clinton and with Eric Holder’s approval.

Rove, who has had a long relationship with Sweden, reportedly phoned then-Swedish Prime Minister Goran Persson and told him that Sweden must hand Agiza and al-Zehy over to the United States. WMR has learned from our source that Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh also received a personal phone call and e-mail from Rove in which it was demanded that the two Egyptians be turned over to the Americans. Lindh was apparently opposed to the request but was overruled by Persson, who was a friend of Bill Clinton and a champion of Clinton’s and British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s “Third Way’ globalist movement. Lindh was stabbed by an assailant in Stockholm on September 10, 2003 and she died from her wounds on September 11. A Serbian-Swede was found guilty of the murder but his conviction was later overturned after he was pronounced mentally ill. There are suspicions that Lindh, an outspoken critic of America’s invasion of Iraq and Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, was assassinated by CIA or Egyptian agents who were worried about her knowledge of the CIA’s Egyptian and other rendition programs.

The man who ran Egypt’s torture program on behalf of the CIA was Omar Suleiman, the feared head of the Egyptian General Intelligence Directorate (EGID), who was named by President Hosni Mubarak as Vice President after the popular rebellion against Mubarak’s regime swept Egypt. Suleiman was a recipient of large cash payments from the CIA for EGID’s torture of prisoners delivered to Egypt by the CIA under both the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations. Suleiman also maintained close contacts with Mossad on issues dealing with Palestine and Syria. Suleiman also served as a member of a CIA-sponsored group of Arab intelligence service chiefs working against Iran. The group included Suleiman, CIA director Michael Hayden, Jordanian chief Mohamed Dahabi, Saudi intelligence head Prince Moqrin bin Abdulaziz, and United Arab Emirates national security council head Sheikh Hazaa bin Zayed al Nahyan. In 2001, Suleiman personally witnessed the torture of Mamdouh Habib, an Australian citizen renditioned by the CIA from Pakistan to Egypt. Habib was given repeated electric shocks, beaten, and waterboarded as Suleiman looked on. Habib was eventually renditioned again by the CIA from Egypt to Guantanamo, his “confession,” obtained under Suleiman’s torture techniques, used against him by the United States.

In December 2009, Suleiman traveled to Israel to meet with Netanyahu, Israeli President Shimon Peres, Mossad chief Meir Dagan, Defense Minister Ehud Barak, and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman. Israel had extended an open door to Suleiman and he made several trips to Israel during his tenure as Egypt’s to spy. It was Suleiman who tightended Egypt’s border controls on Gaza, furthering the misery of the people of the world’s largest engineered ghetto.

In 1993, Suleiman ordered his intelligence service to conduct a “census” of all “Arab-Afghans” living in Peshawar, Pakistan, and surrounding areas. They were all veterans of the CIA mujaheddin war against the Soviets in Afghanistan — Egyptians, Libyans, Yemenis, Jordanians, Palestinians, Algerians, Sudanese, Bahrainis, Tunisians. The census database soon contained thousands of names and Suleiman and his colleague, Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki bin Faisal, added additional names of Pakistani and Afghan supporters of such Islamist groups as Harkatul Ansar and Ahl al -Hadith, all of whom came under the operational control of CIA and British MI-6 Afghanistan field operative, Osama Bin Laden.  British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote about the census database in The Guardianon July 8, 2005, “Al-Qaida, literally ‘the database,’ was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.” In fact, by conducting the census of the “Arab-Afghans” in Pakistan, the actual founder of “Al Qaeda” is the new Vice President of Egypt, Israel’s closest Egyptian friend, Omar Suleiman. No wonder, Mubarak had to cover his tracks by revealing in June 2002, that Suleiman warned his CIA counterparts a week before 9/11 that Bin Laden was in the final stages of launching a major attack on the United States but that no one realized that the plan included the use of passenger planes to attack buildings. Mubarak’s and Suleiman’s “plausible deniability” protected themselves and the Israelis, especially important since “lead hijacker” Mohammad Atta, was supposedly an Egyptian.

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Regardless of the statements from President Obama that Mubarak must leave office “now,” it is clear that the waffling by the Obama administration is intended to buy time for the CIA to appropriate the Egyptian government’s torture and rendition files that date back to Holder’s original authorization of the program. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s major goal is to limit the damage  to her husband from any disclosure of documents by a new Egyptian reform government about her husband’s role in the CIA’s use of Egypt to detain and torture prisoners. CIA director Leon Panetta is also trying to avoid the torture rap from his time as President Clinton’s chief of staff.

The CIA has embarked on a policy of suppressing the Egyptian revolution until all potentially embarrassing documents and computer files held by Suleiman’s EGID and other Egyptian government agencies can be successfully removed from Egypt to the United States.

The CIA recalls how partially shredded and un-shredded classified CIA documents at the U.S. embassy in Tehran were obtained by students who took over the embassy and, unlike the suspiciously-redacted Wikileaks cables, were soon published for the world to see, CIA agents names and all. In fact, the long-cut shredders used to destroy the documents were a blessing for the Iranians who handed the spaghetti-like shreds to Iran’s best carpet weavers to reconstruct them in practically their original form. The EGID and other Egyptian intelligence and security agencies have likely amassed tons of files on CIA activities over the past several decades and the potential for the release of documents concerning all the CIA operations that involved Egypt — the 1980 October Surprise, Iran-contra, CIA arms smuggler Edwin Wilson’s operations in Libya, repeated covert efforts against Saddam Hussein in Iraq, arms smuggling by the CIA to other African nations through the warehouse at Cairo West airport, and the CIA’s nurturing of “Al Qaeda” for the mujaheddin war in Afghanistan and 9/11 — has Langley shaking over the possibility that a reform government will reveal the dirty little secrets of the CIA and successive American presidents going back to Ronald Reagan.

The CIA has been behind the scenes in Egypt advising the security forces and army on suppressing the popular uprising in order to delay the clock for Mubarak and his regime. The International Network for Rights and Development reported that three Israeli cargo planes arrived at Cairo’s Mina International Airport on January 28 carrying large amounts of gas used for dispersing large crowds. There were also reports of U.S. and Israeli counter-insurgency personnel being dispatched to Egypt to assist the regime in suppressing the rebellion. Other reports emanating from Egypt claimed that Israeli professional provocateurs were among the pro-Mubarak “demonstrators” who attacked peaceful demonstrators in Tahrir Square, resulting in an outbreak of deadly violence on February 3. Israel has a long history of such activities in Egypt, including the infamous 1954 Lavon affair that, if successful, would have seen “false flag” Israeli terrorist attacks on U.S. targets in Cairo that would later be blamed on Egypt, eliciting a military response by the United States on Egypt.

The CIA has a special procurement program that is used to buy sensitive items from foreign governments. “Sterility codes” are used by the CIA to designate the “degree of traceability” that is used for the procurement of off-shore purchases of foreign items, such as crowd control gas from Israel for use by Egypt. The records of the purchases are likely to be found in “Local Procurement” records maintained by the CIA stations in Cairo and Tel Aviv.

The CIA’s last-ditch support for the Mubarak regime is strikingly similar to its support for the Shah of Iran in his final days in power. As with the revolt against Mubarak in Egypt, the uprising against Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi in 1978 came as a shock to the CIA. On December 2, 1978, two million people filled Tehran’s Shahyad (now Azadi) Square demanding that the Shah step down. Almost two million people similarly filled Cairo’s Tahrir Square demanding that Mubarak step down. In the months preceding the mass demonstration in Tehran, Iranian security forces massacred thousands of people. Iranian opposition forces claimed that Israel’s Mossad provided assistance for the massacres to Iran’s feared SAVAK security agency.

The CIA, to the very end, also provided assistance to the Shah’s government. Some 75 CIA agents were dispatched to Iran along with more than a hundred private contractor operatives, all retired U.S. military and intelligence operatives. These agents worked closely with members of the Iranian military and SAVAK, many of whom had received training in the United States. Similarly, a number of Egyptian officers and non-commissioned officers, as well as EGID agents, received training in the United States. Just as President Obama dispatched  Frank G. Wisner, Jr., former U.S. ambassador to Egypt and reputed CIA agent-of-influence, to talk to Mubarak, a close friend of Wisner, President Jimmy Carter, in November 1978, asked former U.S. ambassador to Iran and former CIA director Richard Helms, a personal friend of the Shah, to conduct liaison between the White House and the Shah. During his time as CIA director, Helms authorized the training of SAVAK officials in torture techniques. The CIA and Mossad coordinated their pro-Shah efforts in Iran.

As the Shah’s position weakened, the Pentagon sent crowd control vehicles to Iran that were equipped with water cannons. Contingency plans were drawn up by the Pentagon and the National Security Council for the U.S. to dispatch troops to Iran to put down the popular rebellion and save the Shah and his Peacock Throne. SAVAK agents were also trained by the CIA to infiltrate anti-Shah groups and report on their plans. Other CIA provocateurs were believed to have infiltrated Iranian student groups that later took over the U.S. embassy in Tehran. There is a belief by many intelligence agents at the time that the most egregious incidents carried out by the students after they took over the embassy and held U.S. personnel hostage were committed by CIA and Mossad infiltrators bent on bringing about a swift U.S. military move against Iran and prevent Ayatollah Khomeini from taking power.

In the world of the CIA, the playbook never seems to change.

Along with the calls for Mubarak to step down now, there should be similar calls across the United States for Eric Holder to pack his bags and leave town.

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13 Comments

  1. Marty Didier
    Posted February 4, 2011 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Good article…..
    Although what I’m going to say may already in some respects be known, it still needs to be surfaced.

    There has been a lot said about Obama and his Chicago criminal connections/Shadow Government but Holder is also linked in with the Shadow Government. If anyone remember’s he defended Chiquita Brands some time ago in Florida and they got off with a slap on their hands.

    The real truth about Chiquita is they along with Drummond, Disney and many others were directly involved with shipping huge amounts of cocaine abroad. Why was a big question years ago which in some degree has surfaced but it’s important to realize that many companies are working together in a uge drug system.

    Bruce Adreani my ex-brother-in-law told me while married that the drug system proceeds was being used to FUND the efforts in a White House Coup similar to what happened back in 1933 then called the Business Plot. The Whistleblower back then was Retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler. He immediately went to President Franklin D. Roosevelt and the Coup was stopped. However later in 1934 Butler testified to the McCormack–Dickstein Congressional committee on these claims. In the opinion of the committee, these allegations were credible but unfortunately his efforts ran into blocks which proved his efforts as being less than successful.

    Sometimes it’s important to look at a problem from the top down and note from the bottom up. Although normal news reporting causes us to move in the bottom up direction, the real truth emerges when you look at it from the top down.

    What happened back in 1933 and the efforts to bring to justice those involved in 1934 showed that if this problem surfaces again, it has to be handled differently. My personal link is with a family who are directly involved in the WH Coup and from their side, they remember the past and worked hard to make sure they covered all of their bases this time. They don’t want a repeat this time of failure!

    Everyone has had pain and agony with what has been happening during the Bush years and with Obama. What many don’t realize is the WH Coup has been in the planning stages for decades that involve many presidents. The changes made to our laws regarding the banks makes it clear of how they have been manipulating our system to set things up. The family needs to be remembered as working for the big financial groups including the big banks. And the big financial groups are the ones behind at the top of the big drug system.

    But what about Holder? Remember my comments about his involvement with Chitquita. Realize that he too is involved with those involved in the WH Coup. But what does this mean with the DOJ? Realize that the top part of out DOJ is corrupt and politisized. This includes Holder but Holder has to show that he AT LEAST is doing his job. If he doesn’t then he will be the focus of outrage to get rid of him. He has to play two sides inorder to move forward and I’m sure it isn’t easy.

    So anything Holder does needs to be looked at with two eyes. One is that he is part of the Shadow Government and working underneath Shadow Government criminals with a goal to succeed with the WH COUP. The other is he has to balance his position so to at least look like he is doing his job.

    But what about the WH COUP? It’s progress was stopped in Novemeber 2010. There are areas trying to push but little by little they too are being stopped. How I know is there are things I’m not allowed to talk about…..

    Marty Didier
    Northbrook, IL

  2. Posted February 4, 2011 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Hey Marty, curious question. You mention the “shadow government” and I’m curious how far back this planning of such a coup has been operational and what this group wants in the long run? What is their ultimate goal? Do you have an educated guess?

    Anyone studying the ground can clearly see the US sits in a very precarious position today – on the one hand, many fellow citizens are at least willing to challenge the status quo by venturing outside their comfort zones and climb out of the information matrix, while on the other, many more know something is wrong but would rather watch a football game.

    What concerns me greatly is that people want to make this a Republican or Democrat issue when it’s really a Fascist vs Socialist issue and the people be damned.

  3. Posted February 4, 2011 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    and then there is this ditty – Rove used tax dollars to send Republican appointee’s around the country in 2005 to help Republican candidates clearly violating the Hatch Act – the report is at DOJ now and I’m not holding my breath that Holder will do anything about it.

  4. Posted February 5, 2011 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Press TV interview – here’s a snippet

    Press TV: Mr. Oweis, as PR strategies go Mr. Mubarak has essentially tried it all. He spoke twice to his countrymen, has arrested and detained [many people, and has] frozen bank accounts of people close to him who are seen as corrupt, yet the people have not backed down as you mentioned as well. Is his image beyond rehabilitation?

    Oweis: Listen, his image was tarnished for the last ten years. His image has been very bad in Egypt, and that is what brought the people down to the streets; because of his image and the way he treated his people. Since 2011 he was a subcontractor for the CIA to torture people who were caught in Pakistan and Afghanistan, who were brought to Egypt to be tortured into submission and into confessing to crimes they did not commit. The enforcer of that rule was Omar Suleiman. So these guys are partners in crime, and it has been building up for thirty years.

    I think it became much heavier since 2011 until now, as he sold away his dignity and the dignity of his people. And after the 2009 Israeli attacks against Gaza, it really put him on the defensive, and he’s continued the policy of dealing with the Zionist entity in order to bring down the Islamic movement not in Palestine. He was trying to contain Hamas and starve the Palestinian people in order to send a message to the Muslim Brotherhood inside Egypt itself. He wanted to tell them that this is what he would do to them if they say anything. So the man is crazy and he is senile. He does not listen to his people, and nobody expects him to listen anymore. He can talk but it’s the similitude of one barking in the wilderness. Nobody is going to hear him. He is finished. His regime is finished.

    I don’t think the revolution in Egypt, their leaders, and the people on the street are going to allow for Omar Suleiman to encircle them. They are talking about a creative solution in order to save this dictator and to keep him in Egypt. I heard another guy today who I’ve known from Washington. He moved from Egypt to Qatar and from Qatar to Beirut and everybody was suspicious. He was talking as if he represents the revolution and he was saying that we found a solution and he will be the president. Nobody is going to honor this man. They are going to bury him underground. He is going to be buried like the Shah and he will be buried away from his country if he does not give in and let the people rule themselves. He should give back the money he stole along with his people. And the list of names is very big. All the money they stole from the government and people of Egypt should be given back. They may have places to go, but they will not be safe from international law, and they should give back the money and land they stole from the people of Egypt and to the revolution.

    Read the full interview – http://presstv.com/detail/163776.html

  5. Posted February 5, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Look’s like karma is catching up with Dubya –

    Bush Swiss visit cancelled

    AFP/Activist Post

    GENEVA – A planned visit to Switzerland by former president George W. Bush to attend a fund-raising gala evening has been cancelled because of the risk of disturbances, the organisers said Saturday.

    “Calls for demonstrations are putting things on a slippery slope. The organisers claim to have stewards but warn they cannot be held responsible if matters get out of hand,” media quoted the lawyer for the Jewish group staging the event as saying.

    “Our evening will still go ahead but George Bush will not attend,” Robert Equey, lawyer for the Keren Hayessod association, told the Tribune de Geneve newspaper.

    The rights group World Organisation Against Torture (OMCT) this week called on Swiss authorities to open an investigation into Bush as former commander-in-chief of US forces if he sets foot on Swiss soil.

    The Geneva-based OMCT on Thursday released a letter it sent to Swiss President and Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey to underline Switzerland’s obligations under domestic law and the UN Convention Against Torture.

    It said that “all information suggests” that Bush “authorised, knew and acquiesced into the practices that constitute the crime of torture.”

    In his memoirs published last year Bush claimed that use of the water boarding technique — which simulates drowning — had directly prevented terror attacks in Britain and the United States.

    He also said in an interview with the British newspaper The Times it was “damn right” that he had authorised use of the controversial method on Al-Qaeda’s 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

    Other organisations have banded together to lodge a complaint with a Geneva court against Bush for warcrimes and crimes against humanity committed in Iraq, and several mainly left-wing groups also called for demonstrations on February 12.

    Equey said the decision to invite Bush had not been a “provocation,” adding that previous guests of Keren Hayessod had included former US president Bill Clinton, former vice-president Al Gore and former New York mayor Rudolf Giuliani.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2011/02/bush-swiss-visit-cancelled.html

  6. Marty Didier
    Posted February 5, 2011 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Helen asks:
    “I’m curious how far back this planning of such a coup has been operational?”

    Unfortunately, I don’t have all the detail in front of me to give links and such, but I remember reading about a book written before 1900 that laid out a fantasy plan. Later it was rewritten and appears to be used as the basis for what happened in 1933. Remember I’ve often said that what is happening now is similar to what happened in 1933 with The Business Plot”. This also was often discussed with Bruce Adreani, ex-brother-in-law as the group was haunted by the failure of what happened in 1933 in preparation for this new attempt. What’s missing are the links with what “The Business Plot” was doing with Europe. Again who was behind this were the big major Banks (families) and Corporations that included loyal families to Fascism such as the DuPonts, Fords and others. Reading further surfaces efforts to start a movement similar to Europe’s “Brown Shirts” here called The German American Bund or German American Federation (German: Amerikadeutscher Bund) was an American Nazi organization established in the 1930s. If you remember, the Brown Shirts became the criminal thugs supporting Hitler.

    Around the time when Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler was approached, there were unstable political situations taking place such as tent cities being setup around the Capital by WWI vets in protest for poor health care. There were connections with trying to destabilize the political area existed along with using others upset to join forces. After Smedley met with President Franklin D. Roosevelt the Coup was squashed but when Smedley tried a year later to bring those involved in the Coup to justice it failed.

    Helen, an important question that may need to be asked is “How huge and powerful is this criminal system or also often referred to as “The Shadow Government”?

    How Powerful?
    I was seriously moved by learning that during WWII while arranging bombing runs over Europe, our bombers were instructed to NOT bomb specific industrial centers that were well known to be producing arms against us. Who owned these huge important facilities were members of the inner core of the Shadow Government Criminal system. Hence even during a World War where millions were killed they STILL had enough power to keep their assets from being destroyed when in all rights they should have been.

    How Huge?
    J. Edgar Hoover Quoted as saying: “We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. … The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst.”

    Helen asks: what this group wants in the long run?
    A world managed by dictatorship.

    What is their ultimate goal?
    Complete and total control over every living thing, current goals are to install Dictatorships in each country and eventually combine them into one. 911 was their starting point here in the US for a series of events including the collapse of our economy to eventually establish Martial Law. Once Martial Law comes into effect and as they have called it “When the Change comes those not with us will be rounded up and placed into the many Prisons in the surrounding area”. Since I was told about this in the 90’s the phrase used for describing when our Democracy is flipped over to a Dictatorship was called “The Change”. I was also told that hundred of Prisons will be built around the US and today they are called Detention Centers and Halliburton has the project of building them. But I was also told that afterwards, some will be used to depopulate similar to what happened in Europe. Looking back it’s easy to see that the internet with Posting and identifying everyone helps identify those who aren’t with them. An interesting question to ask is “Those who have been posting, have they found themselves immersed in problems with public services, or other situations?” I can personally tell you that my answer is definitely YES!

    What this explains is a much wider net involving possibly armies of people like the Brown Shirts who are working behind the scenes to cause as much trouble to those who know and are trying to tell others. Personally I could detail so many situations that I’d swamped your hard drive.

    Helen says: “Anyone studying the ground can clearly see the US sits in a very precarious position today”

    Fear not Helen! There are good things happening that many aren’t aware of. Realize that those who do may be the criminals themselves and watching them attack each other is a clear sign this exists. As I’ve said many times, the White House Coup’s progress was stopped in November 2010. It’s so huge and should be viewed as a movement that many parts don’t know what is going on and are still on following their agenda’s. But as time moves forward, there’s a level of nibbling here and there that is eroding the problem. If this Coup was handled the same way it was handled back in 1933, we would have to deal with it again later. Does anyone want this to repeat again? Of course not so we all have to be patient and wait until the moment surfaces to end it once and for all openly for all of us to see it happen. No doubt that following this time everyone will learn who started the movement to end it and who all were involved and how it worked. Unfortunately I’m not allowed to talk about anything!

    Another interesting question to ask:”What is needed to finally put an ending to the Coup Organization once and for all?” Be prepared as many deep changes will be needed to insure that ending this is as thorough as possible. Today ongoing news surfaces more information about many who are well known to be involved and if this was 1933 they would get off scot free. It’s not going to happen this time…..and that’s guaranteed! A hint is that it is all part of a plan and the plan is working well… Have faith in what is happening!

    Helen says: “What concerns me greatly is that people want to make this a Republican or Democrat issue when it’s really a Fascist vs Socialist issue and the people be damned”

    Currently we don’t have a two party system. They are one but continue to play roles hoping to entertain us into thinking there are two distinct parties working for us.

    Marty Didier
    Northbrook, IL

  7. Posted February 5, 2011 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of Smedley, saw this comment over at Veteran’s Today –

    Short e-book online (free) :

    “WAR IS A RACKET”

    written by
    Major General Smedley D. Butler
    USMC, Retired

    http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

  8. Posted February 5, 2011 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Yes, I’m aware of the brown shirts history and the American corporatists/banksters who funded Hitler. More and more of this info is seeing the light of day and being put into youtube vid’s. Watched one a couple of week’s ago about the entire banking operation set up to fund the War spreading over several countries w/the City of London leading the way.

    It’s truly mind boggling how duped I feel by this massive disinformation campaign. It’s taken 50 years to learn the truth and it’s not pretty. Had lunch a couple of year’s back with a friend who said to me “Helen, you know there are those who believe the US was infiltrated by the Nazi’s long ago and pose a very real threat to our freedoms.” I immediately went to researching anything and everything I could get my hands on to learn, and today I am truly humbled by how massive this operation is. One feels so small and powerless to do anything when standing next to this giant of doom.

    Offering words of hope and keep the faith are comforting. I’m left with the hope that your intel/sources are on the up and up and don’t want to see America falling into such despotic hands anymore than you or I do. I pray.

    Btw, I call the two party system – two heads of the same snake. When they merged, geez, something tells me long before I was a glimmer in my mom’s eye.

  9. Marty Didier
    Posted February 5, 2011 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the reply Helen. I could list more areas that are problematic and one is the Catholic Church. Unfortunately there is a deeply held problem that will take time to surface. We all need something to hold dear and here too is a serious problem. One thing to look at is that anything held as “trusting” is deeply flawed with problems. Sort of typical for our lives these days but still real never the less.

    It’s important to grasp how huge and powerful this crimnial system is. Keep this in mind because it will is expected to be supported over and over in the coming future. I’d love to share with you a number of important matters as the closer you get to seeing reality as I unknow to exist the more I feel compelled to bring you into the innercircle, but unfortunately I can’t. I’m sure though with our budding relationship you will come to identify what I’m talking about as there are many snipets here and there. All you have to have is the right understanding and it will start to make sense.

    Marty Didier
    Northbrook, IL

  10. Posted February 5, 2011 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Now that I’ve crawled my way out of the disinfo matrix, I see this voluminous system everywhere. It’s almost like what haven’t they thought of. Talk about being thorough! But I guess that comes from years and years of planning. Like I said, I’m a whiddle pea standing next to a banana. Humbled. Very, very humbled.

  11. JJ
    Posted February 5, 2011 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    They may have places to go()Mubarak and company), but they will not be safe from international law, and they should give back the money and land they stole from the people of Egypt and to the revolution.

    So, what does that say about George Soros??
    Just saying.

  12. Posted February 5, 2011 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    I say, JJ, freeze his dough, figure out what countries economies he purposely destroyed to fatten his personal pocketbook for sheer folly, and then give it back to people in either cash or precious metal. Ditto with all of the others who stole the peoples money!

  13. Posted February 5, 2011 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Posting this list a poster put together over at The Extinction Protocol site –

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    Michael says:
    February 5, 2011 at 1:50 am

    THIS WHOLE THING ACTUALLY STARTED MID 2010, WITH SOME REPORTS THAT CAME OUT, BUT NOT ALL I’M SURE. BELOW IS A HUGE LIST I COMPRISED OF ALL THE INCIDENTS ‘REPORTED’. I place the Date it was shown in reports, the area, a briefing then the result of any investigation. Kind of like a Readers Digest list. You will find the governments make excuses for this by saying it’s Virus, cold weather, storms, migration or just unknown. There is a MASS EFFECT killing these creatures. The millions of death REPORT, are not what they say they are.

    June 18th 2010 Indiana, Osgood: Dozens of Dead Starling Birds Found in Ripley County Neighborhood.
    Investigation: Unknown cause.

    July 28th 2010 California, San Diego: Hundreds of birds have turned up dead in a major drinking-water source that serves a large portion of San Diego County, but water officials claim the water is OK to drink.
    Investigation: Possible the water could be contaminated with avian botulism.

    May 2nd 2010 Texas, Galveston: Hundreds of dead migratory birds, many of them colorful songbirds, are washing up on Galveston beaches, victims of a strong north wind and the perils of migration.
    Investigation: Blamed on strong north wind & migration.

    October 23rd 2010 Ukraine, Kiev: About 1,500 birds have been found dead on an Ukraine island, authorities said Saturday. Most of the birds were cormorants, but a large number of herring gulls were also found on Ukraine’s Bolshoi Dzendzik Island, the emergencies ministry said.
    Investigation: Specialists from the local veterinary office have taken samples for laboratory testing

    November 2nd, 2010 Australian, Tasmania: Thousands of sea birds found dead along Tasmania’s west and north-west coasts were fatigued after a marathon migration. Residents from the Pieman River, on the west coast, through to Ulverstone have reported seeing dead shearwaters washed up on beaches.
    Investigation: Migration & storm weather blamed.

    December 20th 2011Austraila, Perth: Thousands of Crows, Pigeons, Wattles & Honeyeaters fell out of the sky in Esperance, Western Australia (Estimated date on deaths).
    Investigation: Unknown cause. Environment & Conservation said began before freak storm.

    January 1st 2011 Arkansas, Beebe: 5,000+ Red-winged blackbirds & Starlings fall out of the sky dead in Beebe, Arkansas 40 miles North West of Little Rock.
    Investigation determined massive Trauma & many organs were liquified.

    January 1st 2011 Arkansas, 200,000+ Dead fish wash up on the shores of Arkansas River covering 20-miles .
    Investigation: A Guess that the cause was cold weather. Weather radar shows something unusual around time birds fell that was an estimated 9.4 miles in diameter that never moved in the high winds.

    January 3rdth 2011 Maryland & Virginia, Chesapeake Bay: 2,000,000 (2 million) Dead fish consisting of Menhayden, spots & Croakers wash up on Chesapeake Bay shores.
    Investigation: A guess was that cold water stress caused the deaths.

    January 4th 2011 Florida, Volusia County: Thousands of dead fish consisting of Mullet, Ladyfish, Catfish & Snook lined the twists & turns of Spruce Creek in Port Orange. The fish kill is unusual because it is warm, according to people who live along the creek. Some said it’s the worst kill they’ve ever seen.
    Investigation: Determined unknown cause.

    January 4th 2011 Louisiana, Mass La.: 500+ 500 Dead Red-winged blackbirds & Starlings littered a quarter-mile stretch of highway in Pointe Coupee Parish on Monday & puzzle investigators.
    Investigation: A Necropsies performed Monday on the birds in Arkansas showed the birds suffered internal injuries that formed blood clots leading to their deaths, The Associated Press reported. A guess was a cold front.

    January 4th 2011 Kentucky, Louisville: 3,000+ dead birds Blackbirds found on roads & yards. A women named Sandy said “I’ve never seen anything like it,” Sandy said. “It’s really creepy.”
    Investigation: Natural causes.

    January 4th 2011 Brazil, Paraná region: 100 Tons of Sardines, Croaker & Catfish wash up on the Parana region shores.
    Investigation: Blamed on cold weather.

    January 5th 2011 England, Kent Coastline: 40,000+ Crabs wash up dead on Kent Coastline beach’s.
    Investigation: Hypothermia was blamed.

    January 5th 2011 New Zealand, Coromandel beaches on the North Island: Hundreds of Dead Snapper with no eyes washed up on Coromandel beach’s which frightened residents.
    Investigation: Unknown mystery

    January 6th 2011 Texas, Upshur County: Hundreds of dead Grackles, Sparrows & Pigeons were found near & on the roads, mostly around Hwy 155 near Ore City.
    Investigation: Possibly a natural occurrence.

    January 7th 2011 Italy, Faenza: 8,000+ Turtle Doves rained down dead on rooftops, cars & streets in the town of Faenza. Residents in Faenza described the birds falling to the ground like ‘little Christmas balls’ with strange blue stains on their beaks.
    Investigation: Hypoxia, a lack of oxygen or poison blamed due to blue tint on beaks.

    January 14th 2011 Alabama, highway I-65 south of Athens: 300 plus blackbirds were discovered dead along Interstate 65 in North of Alabama. The birds were found off the side of the northbound lane south of Athens.
    Investigation: All the dead birds showed signs of trauma.

    January 14th 2011 Azerbaijan, Baku: Mass fish death was recorded in the Iranian sector of the Caspian Sea. A large number of dead mullet have washed ashore, Shomalnews.com reported.
    Investigation: Scientists suggest that the causes of the recent events may be a global disaster or testing of biological weapons.

    January 15th 2011 Wisconsin, Portage County, Town of Stockton: 200 dead cows were found in a field at 8055 4th Avenue in the Town of Stockton. (200 cows just don’t drop dead over night)
    Investigation: A local vet and it’s believed the animals died from the IBR/BVD virus. The virus can cause respiratory & reproductive problems.

    January 17th 2011 Canada, Labrador, North Coast: Hundreds of Dead Seals washing up on shores. People on the north coast of Labrador say scores of dead seals have been washing ashore since early December.
    Investigation: Unknown cause.

    January 17th 2011 Vietnam: 10,000 buffalo’s & cows Vietnam’s Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development confirmed the news this week that more than 10,000 buffalo’s & cows in Vietnam died due to harsh weather conditions. However, these are cold weather climate animals & have been in worse. A week prior, over
    700 died during warmer weather. It was only around 20 F during massive 10,000 deaths.
    Investigation: Blamed on cold weather.

    January 18th 2011 Portugal, Vila Nova de Gaia: Thousands of Octopus was up dead on beach’s. That same week between December 29 and January 4, thousands of birds, millions of fish and crab were found dead from the Northern Hemisphere to the Southern Hemisphere.
    Investigation: Disease blamed.

    January 20th 2011 New York, Cayuga County: 55 Dead Buffalo is a mystery on southern Cayuga County farm. Sempronius buffalo farmer Peter Head has lost 55 animals to a mysterious illness since October, but autopsies have shown no clear cause of death.
    Investigation: Unknown Disease blamed.

    January 21st 2011 Michigan, Detroit: Thousands’ of fish die in Detroit River appear to have died from being trapped in ice flows. Hundreds of dead fish can be seen, with thousands of other schooling below the surface.
    Investigation: Cold weather blamed.

    January 22nd 2011 Canada, Vancouver Island: Thousands of dead herring wash ashore on Vancouver Island beach. Resident Will Meeks said it’s scene he can’t recall ever seeing before on local beaches. Meeks said the dead herring appear to localized to North Beach because he and friends checked nearby beaches & found
    nothing similar.
    Investigation: Ommercial herring fisherman, speculated that the fish could have ended up in an area of the ocean close to the beach that was low in oxygen.

    January 23rd 2011 Ireland, Dublin: Hundreds of dead fish found in the Six Mile Water river in County Antrim. Billy Robinson from Ballynure Angling Club walked a few miles alongside the river on Sunday afternoon. He said he has seen dead fish from Duck bridge right up towards Ballyclare. “There are quite a few dead trout, from small fish, up to fish weighing three quarters of a pound to a pound in weight, so it seems to be a total fish kill,” he said. “I’m looking over the bridge at the moment & there must be around 30 or 40 fish dead in the space of a few yards.”
    Investigation: Cold weather maybe.

    January 27th 2011 Columbia, Bogota: 2000 fish have turned up dead that display burn marks on their scales. Residents saw a flying object in the skies that Friday, according to local media. The incident occurred at the village of El Llanito in the jurisdiction of the city of Barrancabermeja. The RCN radio network pointed out that
    residents of the neighboring village of Puente Sogamoso, in the jurisdiction of Puerto Wilches, claimed seeing a round object flying “sideways” on the same day that the fish deaths at El Llanito occurred.
    Investigation: Death blamed on UFO’s.

    January 27th 2011 North Carolina, Topsail Beach, southeastern NC: 200 pelicans have washed up dead on North Carolina beach.
    Investigation: A Necropsies by the University of Georgia on some of the 200 Brown Pelicans are inconclusive & do not yet support concerns that foul play was responsible.

    January 31tst 2011 New Zealand, Waiheke Island: Hundreds of thousands of Horse Mussel Shells wash up dead on beach’s.
    Investigation: Unknown cause.

    February 2nd, 2011 Switzerland, Geneva: Hundreds of pigeons dying in Geneva blamed on Avian virus. Health authorities advised people in an alert published 31 January not to touch any dead birds to avoid spreading the disease to other ones.
    Investigation: Blamed on Avian Virus.

    And now…
    February 4th, 2011 Florida & AmUntold thousands of marine animals float dead in Amazon river & Florida. At Aquidauana, pantanal region of the Mato Grosso do Sul state, shoals of painteds, pacus, golden fishes, cacharas – and even stingrays, are floating dead in Rio Negro, one of the largest in the Amazon River basin.
    Investigation: Lack of oxygen in the water

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